Summary Minutes — 4th Meeting (approved October 20, 2014)
U.S. Access Board
Rail Vehicles Access Advisory Committee
(and subcommittee)
September 11 and 12, 2014
Washington, DC

Thursday, September 11, 2014 — Subcommittee Meeting

The two days started around 10:00 a.m. with the Communications Subcommittee holding its eighth meeting, chaired by Ms. Terry Pacheco.  The subcommittee met in the Access Board's conference room at 1331 F Street, N.W., room 800, Washington, DC. This meeting ended around 12:30 p.m.

Thursday, September 11, 2014 — Advisory Committee Meeting

With a quorum present, the fourth meeting of the Rail Vehicles Access Advisory Committee (RVAAC) started around 1:00 p.m. in the Access Board’s conference room (see attachment for committee meeting attendance).  After introduction of committee members, alternates, and members of the public, Mr. Billy Altom addressed the following administrative matters. 

First, by a May 9 email, a draft of the April 2014 summary meeting minutes was sent to the committee for review and approval.  Because minutes are required by the Federal Advisory Committee Act to be certified as complete within 90 days of the April committee meeting, the May 9 email asked for approval of the draft April minutes.  A majority of committee members responded with all approving the draft April summary minutes without change.  Therefore, on May 20, the April summary meeting minutes were considered approved and added to the RVAAC website and the RVAAC electronic docket.  Because the next meeting date is more than 90 days away, it was indicated that the committee would be following the same procedures to review and approve the September summary minutes. 

Second, at the April 2014 committee meeting, the Access Board asked the committee to select two additional meeting dates, as it appeared the advisory committee would not complete its work by September 12.  In April, the committee directed the Access Board to send out dates from which the committee members would make selections.  By an email of April 15, date options were presented to the committee.  On April 29, with most committee organizations submitting votes on the dates, the voting was closed.  The vote results were that February 26 and 27 were selected as the first additional meeting date in 2015, with April 23 and 24 selected as the second additional meeting date.  It was recognized that no one two-day period matched everyone’s schedule, but the selections represent the best available outcomes. 

Third, due to a recent change in the guidance from the Office of Management and Budget, federally registered lobbyists may serve on this advisory committee under some conditions.  Mr. Altom noted that if committee members had any questions about this change, they should contact Ms. Lisa Fairhall who was present at the meeting.

Mr. Altom formed an editorial working group of subcommittee chairs to start drafting the committee’s final report to the Access Board.  It was pointed out that this working group would not establish any position for the full committee and that ultimately, any report developed by the working group must be reviewed and approved by the full committee.  Mr. Altom asked if any committee member was a skilled report writer and desired to participate in the working group.

Mr. Altom noted that although a time of public comment was scheduled for today and tomorrow, the public was reminded that comments may also be submitted to the RVAAC electronic docket at  He reported that since the last meeting in April, comments have been submitted by Mr. Michael Chisena and, under Ms. Emily Bacque’s name, the Bay Area Rapid Transit. 

Mr. Altom indicated he was modifying the agenda and would skip the brief reports from subcommittee chairs and moved into hearing the draft proposal from the Boarding and Alighting Subcommittee, chaired by Ms. Marilyn Golden.  The committee and members of the public provided comment on the proposal to enable the subcommittee to further refine its recommendations. 

Next, Mr. Dennis Cannon, chair of the Rooms and Spaces Subcommittee, presented his subcommittee’s proposal to the full committee.  It was noted that the RVAAC website version of its proposal was different from what was provided to the Board staff, but the committee and members of the public still provided comment to enable the subcommittee to further refine its recommendations.  The correct version of the subcommittee’s draft proposal has been placed in the RVAAC electronic docket (see Note 1 below). 

Around 4:15 p.m., a time of public comment was allowed.  With no one desiring to comment, the committee held a moment of silence in memory of the September 11 disaster and then, after brief discussions, ended the day’s meeting around 4:30 p.m.

Friday, September 12, 2014 — Advisory Meeting (continued)

With a quorum present, the second day of the September meeting started around 9:30 a.m.  The committee heard the draft proposal from the On-board Circulation and Seating Subcommittee, chaired by Mr. Joseph (Blair) Slaughter.  The committee and members of the public provided comment to enable the subcommittee to further refine its recommendations.  Around 10:40 a.m. the discussion stopped to allow Ms. Mary Lamielle to provide public comment on matters not directly related to the subcommittee.  After a break, and excluding a later lunch break, the committee continued its discussions until around 2:45 p.m. when it allowed a time of public comment.  Mr. Bob Reuter and Mr. Don Mebius provided comment. 

At the end of the day, it was confirmed that the regular Thursday, 1:00 p.m. to 3 p.m., subcommittee conference calls would continue from October to January, but some adjustments may be made due to holidays and other attendance issues.

The fourth RVAAC meeting adjourned around 3:00 p.m.  The next RVAAC meeting is scheduled for February 26 and 27, 2015, in the Access Board’s conference room.  

Note 1 – Draft Proposals.  Although the subcommittee draft proposals were reviewed by the full committee, no formal actions were taken by the committee regarding the recommendations.  The draft proposals can be found in the RVAAC electronic docket at!docketDetail;D=ATBCB-2013-0006 in the section titled Supporting Documents (may have to click “view all” and sort by title) under 4th Meeting – Draft Proposal – (subcommittee name).  The material for the subcommittee meeting on September 11 is filed separately in Supporting Documents under Communications Subcommittee Meeting #8.

Note 2 – CART.  A Communication Access Realtime Translation (CART) system was used in the committee meeting (and subcommittee meeting) to provide an accommodation to persons with hearing loss and persons who are deaf. The CART output was streamed in real-time and available to the public on the internet. The unedited text of the CART output is available in the RVAAC electronic docket referenced above in the section titled Supporting Documents under 4th Meeting - Unedited CART Text - 2014 Sept (11 or 12). These documents provide the details of the committee meeting. The CART text from the September 11 subcommittee meeting is filed separately in Supporting Documents under Communications Subcommittee Meeting #8.



RVAAC Meeting Attendence

U.S. Access Board
Rail Vehicles Access Advisory Committee
September 11 and 12, 2014
Washington, DC

Members Present:  21

  1. Alstom Transportation – Jon Holbrook
  2. American Council of the Blind – Terry Pacheco
  3. (Amtrak) National Railroad Passenger Corporation – Joseph Slaughter & Gary Talbot
  4. Association of Programs for Rural Independent Living – Billy Altom (Committee Chair)
  5. Bombardier Transportation – André Gagné, ing.
  6. California Department of Transportation, Division of Rail – James Lucas
  7. Community Transportation Association of America – Robert Carlson
  8. Disability Rights Education & Defense Fund – Marilyn Golden
  9. Federal Railroad Administration – Linda Martin & Calvin Gibson
  10. Hearing Access Program – Janice Schacter Lintz
  11. Hearing Loss Association of America – David Gayle (day 1)
  12. International Centre for Accessible Transportation – Uwe Rutenberg
  13. Maryland Transit Administration – David Hughson
  14. Metra & Northeast Illinois Regional Commuter Railroad Corporation – David Martinez & Francis Mascarenhas
  15. Metropolitan Transportation Authority of the State of New York – Michael Wetherell, Frank Maldari, & Gricelda Cespedes
  16. National Council on Independent Living – Cliff Perez
  17. National Disability Rights Network – Dennis Cannon & Kenneth Shiotani
  18. New Jersey Transit – Ed Hoff
  19. RailPlan International – Terry Soebee (day 1) & Jonathan Michel
  20. South West Transit Association – Crystal Lyons
  21. United Spinal Association – James Weisman

Members Absent:  6

  1. Center for Inclusive Design and Environmental Access – Edward Steinfeld
  2. National Association of Railroad Passengers – Larry Scott
  3. National Association of the Deaf (at subcommittee meeting)
  4. Parsons Brinckerhoff – Francis Banko
  5. Ricon Corporation – Stanton Saucier
  6. Talgo, Inc. – Joshua Coran

Access Board Present:

Others Present:

Note:  Attendance for the September 11 subcommittee meeting was not recorded.